COSMIC TRANSLATION CLASS 22 - good numbers, not good numbers, and some
                               history facts of earlier farstar websites.


        These are in accending dates. No guarantee these emails are
        also reciprocally matched in a sequence of one on one. Myself
        in particular often had an email aside till others responded
        to Mystery Writer, sometimes I would grab an older email as a
        shell to send anew, which would throw the shell's dates out of
        sequence if the new dealt with addmores for the shell's main
        theme topics. Which is what happened during these dates and
        time periods.

        On the other hand, these earlier emails contain many themes
        and topics later expanded into Translation Class folios of
        their own. Plus, there are references within this folio of
        items cited in other folios but not displayed. If puzzled
        by an undisplayed cited item, perhaps you can find it in
        here.

        This is the stage where flags and pennants were first
        shown to each other.



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 23:03:36
   To: greydie@look.com
   Subject: Are these numbers meaningful to you?

 Dear Greydon,
 I just want to thank you for your phenomenal web sites and mind
 enlightening views. I think you keep wonder and the beauty of the
 mysterious alive for many people.I have a question for you. Does
 the number 444 have any significance to you in any way? I see the
 number everywhere, and have for over 5 years now. Is it astronomically
 significant? I love the number, though I can't really explain why.
 Any ideas welcome!  Sincerely,
 Mystery Writer



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:00 AM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: - reply - Are these numbers meaningful to you?

 Hello Mystery Writer.
 I have no special reasons for 444, that does not mean to say none
 are there. A question - in refering to 'your phenomenal web sites and
 mind-enlightening views', are you referring to those of Greydon Moore
 per (visitastronomy.com) or else/also (missingmass.net). I am a bit
 awkward in responding to praiseworthy remarks relating to myself. If
 you did not have the above two sites in mind, perhaps you can point
 me to sites from which your remarks arose. If you have a site, you
 have peaked my curiousity and perhaps you can send a URL address.
 Sincerely:
 Greydie/



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Greydon Moore
    Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:38 PM
    To: Starlight
    Subject: Re: Gredyie/ Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

  Hello Starlight.
  First some re-information. The creative writing site (mine) is missingmass
  net. If I sent you missingmass.com hold your snowballs it was the middle
  of the night. I am at words end as to how to continue in your praise
  without bursting a bubble. To be honest, I do not get emails, I seem to
  intimidate by output to where people conclude I am so far out there in
  the above and beyond that anything they might say will seem unflattering
  to themselves, which is not the case at all. There have been several
  sites, including more than one Farstar version, which each was knocked
  offline by inability to pay internet fees which were not very much, but,
  then, neither is my eclectic creative income, delivering pizzas on
  occasion filling in has been my income source this summer and finding
  old bikes and vacume cleaners which I can sell for a few dollars each
  has helped. I am worth over a million on paper being a major co-owner
  of the web name LOOK.COM and a silent partner in the search engine
  LOOK.COM but neither resources are income sources as yet so I wait it
  out. All of the visitastronomy.com enterprise is taking place in a room
  in a duplex in Ottawa on a Windows 98 computer with 46 gig in hardrives
  now down to less than 800 megs left to use and at the moment no funds to
  update, so I am waiting it out.

  Talkcity had a free site offer which I used when a former Farstar site
  was dumped from a server due to overdue fees, the operators of Talkcity
  liked the Farstar site enough to let it run without advertising overlays
  spoiling every page, I have let it run unattended for four years but it
  seems Talkcity is pulling a gradual fade per se from the internet.

  I know the Orion horsehead picture you mentioned and will find it and let
  you know since it is in use somewhere in visitastronomy.com. There are
  249 htm pages so not having a photographic memory I will have to look
  but know where to look so this will be easy.

  As soon as I send this email I will have a look at your suggested sites
  per art and pictures and email further. Boy oh girl do you two ever have
  my curiousity peaked. The information in the Farstar sites (now repeated
  and expanded in missingmass.net without the astronomy side, is not of
  modern day patterns and tends to be disregarded by those who look for
  more rewards of the kind present on daily TV and movies including Sci Fi.
  I had in mind readers who were looking for different frequencies and
  certainly you two are there. Nice to hear from you.

  As for Mars, the only thing I have seen that contradicts civilization,
  is a better picture of the Face On Mars via more recent Mars satellite
  and it is not a face just another rock formation. However, there is more
  to Mars and telltale images seem to show this, I have included the best
  I have found and enhanced, at: visitastronomy.com/mars.htm .
  Greydie/



    -------Original Message-------
    From: Starlight
    Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 19:26:53
    To: Greydon Moore
    Subject: Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

  Hi Greydon,

  Wow, do you NOT get this kind of compliment all the time? Where do
  I begin? My husband and I first discovered one of your sites in early
  2000. We've got an entire folder called "Greydon Moore" and have tried
  to email you several times at addresses on other sites. I didn't know
  about missingmass.com, but here are the main ones we've enjoyed over
  the past couple of years:
      http://home.talkcity.com/miraclemile/farstar/list.htm
  (though lately I can't get on)
     www.think-aboutit.com/Mars/face_of_mars.htm .

  I also remember "Virtual 3D-Why it works", and CUBE AND SPHERE COSMIC
  IDENTIFYIER OF SUPREME CREATORS, but I'm not sure of the name of the web
  site (part of Farstar perhaps?) Also BIG QUESTION: Did you used to have
  a web site with a glimmering sea horse and the words "It never looked
  more like a sea horse"? (Referred to Horsehead nebula). I looked and
  looked for it, but never found it again after 2000.. If you have it on
  one of your sites again, would you please tell me where. I thought it
  was yours because it had all the beautiful special effects that you had
  on FarStar. If you do a search for "Greydon Moore" on Google, you'll find
  other sites too. We just think you are so cool We tried to email you at
  future@farstar.net and some other address too, but never got through. We
  even tried to call you once at the number on Farstar because we had some
  cosmic question we wanted your opinion on, but didn't reach you. Don't be
  alarmed, we're not nuts (except in the sense that you have to be to make
  it through this world), just curious and in love with the stars.

  Do you get thousands of emails a day?

  Also, I thought you might like the dove graphics & purple background
  on the following site so I'm sending the address:
  http://spiritnetwork.com/insights/

  If you haven't seen it, check out especially "The Orion Connection"
  (http://spiritnetwork...com/orion/)

  (The link is four items down from the banner of yellow letters reading
  "Alternate Realities in Art and Thought"). Then scroll down & click the
  button labeled Selected Close-up Views. They take a little time to load,
  but I would love to know your opinion on these views, mainly, do you
  think they are for real or not? If you count 5 pictures down until you
  see two adjacent pictures, there is a very clear EYE in those two
  pictures. Do you think it is fake or a real picture? I would tend to
  trust your ideas more than the ones at this site.
  Please let me know whenever you have time.

  I'm going to go & check out Missingmass.com now! We could look at your
  sites for hours! Thank you for answering. It was so nice to finally
  reach you. Sincerely,
  Starlight



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 22:21:43
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Gredyie/ Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

 Hi friends.

 I do not turn to numbers much these days in being cut off in not
 associating with formers in a large group who paid attention to
 numbers to help make plans and decide ambiguous decisions but back
 then did not develope enough of an intrinsic understanding of how such
 higher numerology worked to use it these days, but do know that in the
 right circumstances numbers are entirely valid. Do you people have a
 hand in the following site?

 (http://spiritnetwork com/orion/sections.html)



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:31 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: **SPAM** Re: Gredyie/ Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

 Hi friends. First, that word *spam* should not be there in the subject
 it is in NO WAY  meant as a disrespect my current email server has chosen
 to flag everything as spam except pornography, (which I automatically
 delete and block) talk about reversing the best intentions. I often type
 so fast it is automatic and have become so overexposed to the word
 *spam* sometimes I do not even see it anymore. Verrry sorrry. Please
 please do not think I meant to include  *spam* in the return reply, deep
 sympathies you must have been shocked to see that. My daughter got it
 (*spam*) one day but made it a fun addative to further reply subjects.

 I looked at both links, first with the doves (very nice elegrant approach)
 and Orion zooms.

 The word God is still not making headway through lesser illumined states
 in conciousness mainly because religious authorities still wish to make
 god male. Picture the Earth, its people, the planet, and the whole World
 as all that is going on here. Picture the world without women, a world
 made only of men, it is only half complete and far less than half by the
 omission, and most of the greater understandings of God and insights into
 the better natures within ourselves simply cannot be gained without female
 presence equally in the picture regards God throughout the world, the
 universe, and eternity. I believe Orion is conscious, that is, it is
 evolved with consciousness that is both intelligent and dominant with
 extraordinary capacities for expressing joy, love, the best there is in
 Creation, with both female and male expression in perfect harmony without
 inner chaos. Looking around I have come upon a few Orion pages which
 contain my current best views regards Orion in astronomy.

 These pages include:
                         (visitastronomy.com/orion.htm)
                         (visitastronomy.com/horsehead.htm
                         visitastronomy.com/other.htm

 There are two possible 'laser rays' shown in Orion at:
 (visitastronomy com/rays.htm)  'It never looked more like a seahorse'
 has merged into the rearwall of older images, I know the image well, see
 it as plain as day, can not find which former site(s) (in my archives)
 have it, did find an animation version of two enhanced versions strobing
 under the 'it never looked... caption but this is not the actual one you
 are seeking. As soon as I find it I shall send as an attachment it will
 be like you finding an old friend again even if the welcome is short
 lived.

 What happened is I was interested in exactly what the Horsehead was as a
 celestial phenomena and when better telescope pictures appeared went to
 these, shown in (visitastronomy.com/horse.htm)  dropping older images
 which lacked the details thus the correct point of view. One I kept
 is the pegasus larger view of the Horsehead, which has led me to think
 the ancients knew a lot more information forgotten in the present time
 The pegasus horsehead is seen here:  (visitastronomy.com/whales.htm).

 Guess what happened. This is the second try at this email, I was trying
 to track down that 'seahorse' Horsehead picture used a few years ago
 and hit the wrong hot keys in my editor, froze the computer, had to hard
 boot, the email being composed was vanished. You know how it is, typing
 a second time from an abruptly lost first usually results in a different
 approach however I think I have done well enough in trying to backtrack,
 the first email (vanished) was nearly finished when paff - anti bless
 the slipstreams of computers eh.

 I live on the west side of Ottawa Canada on a small sidestreet pleasant
 with trees and gardens but nothing fancy. Where are you located. I just
 remembered some more of the paffed email, it was that it was interesting
 the zooms chosen for (http://spiritnetwork.com/orion/) in that these
 items are not what academics would be interested in paying attention
 to. I have to say that the 'eye' in closeup is a chance swirl not
 unlike a chance swirl of smoke in the kitchen from the stove coil
 or a cigar.

 I have looked with utmost intent at any astronomy picture seen by me
 and have not seen an anthropromorphic revelation of any kind, except
 the 'cosmic sasquatch' shown at the beginning of:

 (visitastronomy.com/whales.htm),

 Yhat seated figure was just too good as a hint of possible physicals
 in the cosmic realms to pass it by, even though it was intended just to
 re-enforce cosmic kinds rather than pointing to one sitting there in
 deep space several light years across in size.

 I know that numbers are very important in Cosmic Law and The Law Of One.
 Mainly, numbers come and go, have momentary use then loose potentcy as
 co-creative evolution carries on for the universe. Some numbers such as
 33,  and any variables of root 2, root 3, root 5,  plus all aspects of 30,
 and 60 degree angles, and all whole number variants, are vital,

 Bad numbers include 108 (very bad) and 666 (really bad). I saw 234
 questioned in the doves page but know no reason to turn to that number,
 same for 444. I do not turn to numbers much these days in being cut off
 in not associating with formers in a large group who paid attention to
 numbers to help make plans and decide ambiguous decisions but back then
 did not develope enough of an intrinsic understanding of how such
 numerology worked to use it these days, but do know that in the right
 circumstances numbers are entirely valid.

 Do you people have a hand in the following site?

 (http://spiritnetwork.com/orion/sections.html)

 Six pictures down is a cyclonnic swirl with prismatics, I have
 seen these before in other celestial images and have grouped them in:

 (visitastronomy.com/prisms.htm).

 If you can believe a conscious male/female being provides the life
 force for the Earth, and the Sun is a being, you can see how such
 prismatics may be revealing existences of even more powerful and
 gloriously benevolent beings whose energies are strong enough to form
 physical clues. If you are able to show me where in the Hubble Orion
 picture the cyclonnic prismatic occures I would appreciate muchly.
 I am going to have to look for it myself anyway but as of this moment
 no not where to go looking in the image.

 (missingmass.net/observer.txt)

 I had to build a whole brand new drum set by hand in the Ottawa duplex
 cutting strips of wood to fit inside shells, seven drums were hand-built
 each with unique features testing inter-resonating features to come to an
 understanding stated in the opening line of 'observer on a small planet'
 this realization that sound itself in the most beautiful forms and rythms
 are the fundamental fabrics came late in the day I am now 63 years old and
 have been in sound and music since teenage, so, basically, I had to build a
 a drum set intuitively prompted step after step to finally start hearing
 rythmic sounds which suddenly exposed the fact that God per se has a cause,
 a structural media as a bases for existing and expressing in reality, the
 whole of it, of course, originating in and from the Surpreme Creators
 whose whole expression is pure and perfect geometry, so perfect that
 the power in the perfection itself creates universes and maintains
 eternity.

 Check out: (missingmass.net/observer.txt)

 Not meaning to pound my own drum ad nauseum, a current piece (the latest
 of a small trickle over the past few years) has been giving some people
 new miliage in how to view themselves on a chaotic planet (still
 unstablized) such as Earth, the link is: (missingmass.net/observer.txt)

 Greydie/



    -------Original Message-------
    From: Starlight
    Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 20:49:40
    To: Greydon Moore
    Subject: Re: Gredyie/ Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

  Yes, Greydon, you DID write "missingmass.net". I was the one who wrote
  it down wrong (and it wasn't even late at night!) I have of course added
  mm.net to our Greydon Moore folder for future exploration. I can't believe
  the "It never looked more like a seahorse" was yours. When I tell you we
  spent hours trying to find it, I mean HOURS, and in all honesty, I don't
  really like surfing that much. Your sites are a different story.. When we
  finally found one of your sites, we printed it all out because we were
  afraid it would disappear too. Whenever you do find "It never looked more
  like a seahorse" on vistastronomy, even if it is a long time from now,
  please remember us. We will still be interested.

  We empathize with you on the eclectic income. MSN sometimes shuts us out
  because we can't always pay the 21.95 monthly fee! We look forward to your
  reaction to the Orion pictures. Now I know I sent you mega instructions
  for viewing the Orion close-ups. If I didn't like to talk" so much,
  I would have made things simple for you and sent you this address:
  http://spiritnetwork.com/orion/sections.html .

  But I did want you to see the doves page, so please make sure you visit
  http://spiritnetwork com/insights/ too. I forgot to mention this URL that
  we liked with your things too:
  http://www.csis.hku.hk/~ehung/virtual/genuine.html
  http://www.csis.hku.hk/~ehung/virtual/virtual.html

  Thanks for the mars.htm address. We are looking forward to seeing it too.
  Starlight



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 18:50:25
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Re: Gredyie/ Praiseworthy remarks well deserved!

 Hi Greydon,
 Can you please let me know if you received another (longer) email in
 response to the one you sent above just a few minutes before this one? I
 accessed my account through the internet (rather than a home page) and I
 can find no evidence of just writing you in my Sent messages. Now I'm in
 through the MSN icon and I still don't see it. Interestingly, I DID find
 two sent messages when we tried to reach you about 5 or 6 months ago. One
 was sent to greydon@canada.com and the other to future@farstar.net ! I
 don't think they ever got there. I may not get back into my email until
 the weekend, but I wanted to let you know I wrote you back -- now I just
 don't know if it arrived to you or not. We have a sometimes crazy life,
 and I often do not get into this account but every week or even two
 weeks. I said this in the email I sent a few minutes ago too: Please
 do not ever think we are not answering; it may just be time problem.
 There is another email from you here and we will read it asap. Right
 now we are running out and I don't have the time to even re-write the
 one I just sent a few minutes ago, that I don't think even got to you
 (!Hows that for a confusing sentence?) Sorry to rush, but will write
 again soon. Regards,
 Mystery Writer  future@farstar.net, greydon@canada.com (defunct addresses).



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:35 AM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Gredyie/

 Hi Mystery Writer. I think the sequence went - response to word *spam*
 (harmless), then word  YAY, then the one immediately above which was
 sandwiched between the other two and I did not notice this 3rd until
 this morning. It means three in a row, number 1 (with my reply), number
 3 (with my reply), and now number 2 (with my reply). In this (number 3)
 I did not notice anything not already read. Hope you have em all, none
 stuck in your 'notsent' outbox. I use Incredimail, which every so often
 likes to stick a message in its 'outbox' rather than 'sent' and it is
 sheer hell trying to recover the contents from the 'outbox', usually
 in fact a more important email which makes it all the more difficult
 to try and rewrite from fast fading memory regards its contents.

 The future@farstar.net address is long gone when one of the earlier
 sites shut down due to lack of site fees. The gredyon@canada.com I
 thought was a surefire sollution with an address for life, free, except,
 the canada.com site was sold along with a number of Canadian daily
 newspapers to a swelling media conglomerate operating out of Winnipeg
 and wow woW WoW all of a sudden the free email division was cancelled
 without notice the canada.com site suddenly changed to complete
 commercial content no longer a search engine. So there I was again,
 yet another email address tattered in the whimsical ethers of a
 rapacious internet. This time I think I am secure in that the
 longivity of both my current email address and web sites domains
 are tied in directly with look.com so this time I am not alone trying
 to hang in there, in fact, the current (visitastronomy.com) domain name
 is my longest running yet, it has been on three different servers during
 its life in the past 12 months but during the changeovers and expansions
 has continued to run uninterrupted and the current host server setup
 seems even better having being set up through the young owner of the
 host pipe itself (owns the service where myself and a look.com associate
 are both running sites, me with two sites, the other also with two sites
 running there).

 I have also separated my new age and futuristic contents into
 (missingmass.net)  and rewrote the  (visitastronomy.com)  side of
 things to matters more to specific astronomy intents. It seems things
 are more secure this way, though the many content surprises in sites
 such as the former FARSTAR versions are now moot. I did not do this
 out of criticsm or complains (there were none to speak of) I also
 further separated the (missingmass.net) content into two sections, the
 safer materials at the top and riskier all toward the bottom of the
 page, it was because I have noticed more than once that people I meet
 or am talking with suddenly are no longer talking after they have read
 some of the more risky' thought streams. The intension has been to
 start building up (missingmass.net) with other people's writings
 included, but little to no time has been spent by me on this thrust
 so far. If any of you there do any writing lets see some and perhaps
 it can be fitted in.
 Greydie/




    -------Original Message-------
    From: Starlight
    Date: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:59:22
    To: Greydon Moore
    Subject: Double-YAY

  Hi Greydon,

  It is Monday morning and I'm just opening your messages. I've opened the
  image, and yes, I believe it is the image very close up of the horse head.
  I also went to the site you set up at missingmass.net/3d-horse.htm ~ Thank
  you so very much. You are very, very kind to have done this for us, and
  the magical de ja'vu is certainly there.

  We squeaked joyously like two silly guinea pigs when we saw it. We are
  very appreciative to you for sending it, and I hope we didn't send you on
  a crazy search for two intellectually inferior beings who simply like the
  magical & shimmering lights you create! If you ever do "manifest the whole
  original page", just let us know and we'll be there. It's too bad that
  you had to keep changing addresses because of money hungry people. We
  are worried about our own email address, but I hope to keep it, since
  I like the sld444 address. As far as your writing, I will admit some of
  it took me aback, but writing is creative and creative writing stems from
  the solar plexus (I think) rather than the head. In that case, the language
  flows rather than being measured out to be so specific. If people look at
  it as if it is from the head, they will probably misunderstand and be
  shocked and unaware of the symbolic nature of writing.

  For example, I was raised Catholic, and at one time I might have thought
  your "Crucifix" poetry was disrespectful of Christ. But when I really
  think about it, Christ probably wonders why we worship a "dead" Christ,
  instead of a living One. Christ was really about joy, even though he had
  to experience pain and sorrow. He probably shakes His head at us. And
  I get your "beware of the people that clutch their Crucifixes". People
  scare me, and I am wary of almost all the ones I meet, see and work with.
  That sounds paranoid, but I just think we should be "ever vigilant" (words
  of Jean Luc Piccard. "OH, NO," you must be thinking, "Not a Star Trek fan!"
  --only of the Next Gen and Deep Space 9).

  All of us want to thank you again for the site with a message for us.
  I can imagine that being a co-owner of Look.com would keep you busy,
  but you still found time to set up that page, and we treasure it.
  Regards and gratitude,
  Starlight & Family




   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Monday, October 07, 2002 14:30:33
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Double-YAY

 Hi Mystery Writer.

 Actually, not that busy, my participation with LOOK.COM is minimal in
 that occasionally I am asked what page redesign or logo I like better,
 etc., but that is no disrespect to me it simply means that others have
 the handle on LOOK.COM and I stand nearby (like an invisible host
 persona - sensed but not seen) on the sidelines.

 As for the crucifix, I am glad you passed through that and saw what
 I see, that a being of everlasting glory and light simply cannot be
 comprehended in terms of death decay agony and disintigration. Most
 people, when hitting those crucifix passages, see an unpardonable sin
 here and treat me accordingly. No fun, but, I feel compelled to continue
 the message anyway.

 Furthermore, we are not talking great intellectual gaps, here. I have
 something like a savant's access to higher functions when they click in
 otherwise I am about as normal as it gets, passed all of high school
 with 50 to 65% grades, and the highest mark I ever got was a university
 english course scoring 75%. But, I have no trouble getting along with
 scorers of 95% even 100% in both sciences and arts, it is just the way
 I am, because I also get along perfectly well with construction workers
 and mechanics and so on, much better in fact than with intelligencia who
 are often very concieted or full of ego in themselves.

 Anyhoo, still the evaded questions, where are you located and what (if I
 can ask) do you guys do for a living. It means little to know, I mean, I
 have been offered jobs swabbing floors at Mcdonald's hamburger stands for
 less than minimum wage and at my age it seems what employers think is best
 for someone like me', my creative thusts are meaningless in judgement
 patterns in society where money comes first at all levels. I have learned
 to live with it although I confess it was a lesson hard learned and took
 a couple of decades learning.

 Nice to hear from you guys again. Keep it coming.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 23:07:01
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Hopefully no strange codes included!

 Hi Greydon, It is nice to hear from you too. Sorry about the evaded
 questions -- I didn't remember that you asked them! (Friends are always
 telling me I didn't answer their questions except for whatever was in
 the last paragraph; I've a bad habit of not going over an email to check
 that I addressed all subjects. Often it is because we all run around like
 frantic headless people here. Trying to remedy that lately with meditation.)

 Now, don't take this offensively, but a while back I promised my hub that
 I would never tell our location in any email. Yes, he is paranoid, but I
 have to keep my promise or I will feel ever so guilty. Maybe THAT is why
 I didn't remember you asking  -- selective memory. I hope this doesn't
 mean you won't write us anymore. Even though I do most of the writing
 back, we both read your emails and are happy to hear from you. Here's
 what we do: I do software training and a little technical writing and
 a little teaching (I'm eclectic too). Business has been really slow, so
 I am applying everywhere and anywhere to supplement my husband teaches
 writing. Still, we are not in the best condition financially; hence
 I recently asked MSN not to shut us out. BUt they did anyway. Then we
 caught up and are back on. If ever you write us and don't hear back
 within a week or two, please know that we just have to clear off the
 credit card and MSN will let us back on. Your mail will still be there
 when we get on, because I had backed up mail the last couple of times
 we got shut off. It is a little embarrassing to admit hand-to-mouth
 existence, though you have made us feel better in that you are not a
 person who is hung up on money and "keeping up appearance". I wonder
 what those codes were that were in my mail to you? When I looked below
 your message, they didn't show up. Now, I'm not doing anything "extra"
 when I write, like entering instead of allowing word wrap (I THINK that
 can sometimes put in a symbol). Also, I do have updated virus protection,
 which, of course, does not mean THAT much, but it lets you know I try to
 stay virus free, run scans, and not send people infected mail. I hope
 you have virus protection too. I would feel awful if i sent a virus your
 way. I have seen those codes before, but it was when I had AOL. It was as
 if there was a mini macro at work and every time I typed a dash or an
 apostrophe, a string of letters and symbols would appear between the
 apostrophe (or dash) and whatever came after it. This would happen only
 in the sending, so it didn't happen while I wrote. This sounds similar.
 Please let me know if the codes show up again. Maybe MSN does it to
 punish its inconsistent customers, ha ha  Hey, I found a beautiful
 horsehead picture recently. I was at another computer when I found it.
 I when home and typed it in and was not able to get it. Something was
 wrong with the underscore, or else there were 2 underscores and I was
 typing just 1 (between the word 'image' and the word gallery'). Then I
 searched for pieces of the address and eventually got to it. Copy this
 into your browser (or click, if it arrives to you in link form), because
 if you type it, you might have thesa me problem as I did. I think you
 will love it if you haven't seen it already:

 (http://www.noao.edu/image_gallery/images/d4/horseheady.jpg)

 Let me know what you think when you have a chance. We'll probably be back
 on line on Monday. I heard that next weekend the Orionid meteor showers
 are taking place. I'm not sure of the time yet, or even if it is going
 to be very spectacular, but when I have a chance to spend time on the
 internet and look around I'll try and find out more. Talk to you soon,
 Starlight & Co.




    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Greydon Moore
    Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:05 AM
    To: Starlight
    Subject: Re: Hopefully no strange codes included!

  Hi.

  That Horse head image is quite a find. Hubble site used a fragment of it
  to illustrate a head closeup and the one you show is the full image, I
  have saved it and will use it in an update of my Horse head page, for
  which I much thankyeeuu fully. Here is a link to the Hubble use, as
  you can see there is only a thin line, and I was never able to track
  down a full size view even though certain there would be one somewhere.

  .... See Hubble horsehead link next email.

  Soooo, you guys are right in line with just about everyone I know, a
  foot in the high tech sector door, another in writing, and both feet
  shuffling along at discouraged income attempts. I see more and more that
  the talented without guile are prospering far less then the untalented
  who use guile and cunning mind to succeed in their ambitions, people
  without guile usually do not have ambitions, rather, they have purposes.
  Add me to your list including yourselves of people who are concerned with
  valuable purposes and all at this time seem to be struggling the same
  Aquarious air storms against illumination of a kind that continues well
  beyond this planet and this dimension.

  It happened yesterday I let loose allowing a bit of steam at a friend who
  had called from Buffalo, to make a long story short he has moved in very
  literary and intelligencia circles for some time and has inherited
  conciderable weath but cannot free himself to impart a few dollars of
  appreciation for instance in my direction, me a life long friend. I felt
  good letting off stream for a change instead of holding back keeping it
  bottled. The point is apparently he has been talking a storm about writing
  I had done in an earlier incarnation in the 60's including a short novel
  named 'Billy Barker'. 489 soft cover copies were printed in 1967. My copy
  was lost in an accidental apartment core dump in 1971 and I have not read
  a copy since 1968. Five years ago I happened to see a 'well thumb eared
  copy' for sale in a San Francisco bookstore for $47. My friend in Buffalo
  has a copy in his church's library and will let anyone who wishes read
  it but will not let it leave the library. He runs a none demonination
  pastorship of about 1000 including multi millionairs and gays, the only
  problem is the multimillionair and sons are in deep doodo over multi
  billion loses which came to light on the heels of Enron. All this sounds
  impressive - those money sums, but when $100 promised still has not come
  my way I let off some steam, and have to confess rather enjoyed it, for
  a change. The point being that in the steam jets were remarks about syntax
  and particables I have used in writing which apparently have caught the
  attention of some of his literary acquaintances. It reminded my of a sci
  fi novel I wrote finishing it about 6 years ago starting it about 1987.

  I reread it today, and thought - I wonder if Starlight et all might be
  interested in reading this, then, a few hours later your email telling
  me your are writers. How about that. As for your location, no sweat,
  I have an identical twin brother, we currently live together to share
  expenses and pool resources and talents and do a great deal to keep our
  two-ship under cover even from neighbors although it is always kind of
  fun when a neighbor discovers the person they knew for a year or so is
  actually two people they've known for a year or so. So, your secret
  hideout, your hole in the wall, no sweat. If grass is getting sunlight
  streaming in the big rear window even more no sweat.

  As for the sci fi novel, it is called The Farstar Stories, is not a long
  read, and can be read as ordinary text onscreen via the internet at:

        http://missingmass.net/farstar.txt

  This is one I would not mind a critique. No one has ever reported back
  to me even though, for a while it was a hot item on bulletin boards and
  even person's from long distance were inquiring to me via my bulletin
  board messages running back then, if I had heard about The Farstar
  Stories, or knew where to find a copy, not knowing I had written it.

  As for the strange characters, none this time at all your email is
  squeeky clean. I use an online antivirus called 'trend' who updates
  every day. Below is its URL. what you do is choose a country, such as
  US, or Canada (mine), then wait several minutes while temporary codes
  are cached in your computer, then select a drive to scan. It is extremely
  fast and perhaps the most accurate scanner/cleaner outhere, and its use
  is free, the 'housecall' is their way of advertising. Here next is the
  URL. If you have any troubles you can call me at (613) 274-7060 so I can
  talk you through this. It will be no problem, my brother and I used to do
  this sort of thing for a living back a few years ago when we developed
  and owned 'Virus Alert' by Look Software, this project now long since
  demised, leading to the current cash clash situations.

  ....... My online connect speed is a bit cranky (rogers home cable eh).
  I will send the Trend Url as soon as this email is sent. Also the Hubble
  Horsehead site.

  Greydie/


 (insert)

 (http://housecall.trendmicro.com/)

 - Trend Housedoctor, virus scan/clean online from home, includes
 email worm viruses updated daily as they occur.

 (visitastronomy.com/orion.htm) - See big split picture about half way
 down the page.

 Greydie/




   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 22:26:08
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Stars and Stories

 Hey Greydon, Do you mind that we call you Greydon? I ask because you
 sign Greydie. Before emailing and actually "meeting" you in cyberspace
 we would say, "Let's go to a Greydon Moore site", or we would access our
 Greydon Moore folder for web pages we had saved. We always said "Greydon"
 so it just feels natural to write Greydon. However, we feel we owe you
 the respect of asking you if that is okay, esp. since you sign "Greydie".
 I am a First Class Cadet -- Space Cadet, that is. I would have been on
 line a while ago, but I couldn't find my keys. My 4 pound set of keys
 that I really need tomorrow. Hub finally found them where I had cuddled
 with one of our dogs. I had brought her in from a trip outside and was
 applying the "T" touch to her sore little legs (Unsolved Mysteries ~ lady
 calmed wild tigers with what she called the T touch ~ basically like
 massage), and somehow the keys had ended up in the couch pillows. Useless
 information, but I liked the first class space cadet description: - in
 The Farstar Stories).

 (missingmass.net/farstar.txt).

 I was so impressed that I was able to show you a horsehead picture that
 YOU had wanted to see. That's a switch, huh? Now I haven't linked to the
 Hubble one yet, but I know just from what you said ("a thin line") which
 one it is. And I had not made that connection. As soon as I read 'thin
 line' I realized the one I sent you was just more of that same picture.
 I had always loved that thin line picture. Now I know why. (It was sort
 of 'attached' to one or 2 other pics on the Nasa site, different from
 their usual single pictures.)  Do you know why Nasa blocks out parts of
 some pictures? There is one picture of the Orion nebula. I tried to find
 it so I could send you link, but was unsuccessful within a reasonable
 amount of time. The picture is beautiful, but then there are 2 or 3 black
 squares covering up the upper right (I believe) part of the picture.

 That is so cool that you are a twin!!! Do you and your brother have
 psychic connections often? I really liked your comparison of ambition
 vs. purpose. A purpose sounds so much more like what we humans should
 be searching out. I would like to say I am noble and have only purposes.
 I think I do have some ambition, but in all honesty, purpose rings more
 true.

 I was sorry to hear that your friend is carelessly withholding money from
 you. People who deal in large sums never seem to think that others will
 care about $100 here or there. I am going through the same thing, trying
 to get a company to pay THREE invoices. I have had to borrow money because
 this company just can't pay in a reasonably timely manner (all i ask is
 once a month, but now it has been 3 months). The invoices are not very
 big, but I could really use the paychecks. What is WRONG with people?
 (I say that jokingly-dramatically with a sad ring of truth). I told my
 husband about you having a book out called "Billy Barker" and about your
 sci fi story being on Missingmass.com. He wants to go read it RIGHT NOW.
 I would like to also, but I want to finish writing you first. We are
 definitely looking forward to reading it -- funny about that "writing"
 coincidence. I only hope we do not disappoint you if we do not understand
 it. Although you say you were "average" in school, I sense a much higher
 intelligence than my own. (Albert Einstein was not an "A" student in
 school either -- probably bored with the curriculum.) Still, even when
 I do not intellectually understand something, I feel I can absorb certain
 ideas and philosophies which add to and enhance my life, so I am really
 looking forward to reading it. Hubby may read and respond before I do.
 I will read it ASAP, but not tonight because I am so tired and would not
 have enough energy to read and concentrate. There is more I wanted to
 tell you, but right now my head is dropping. Must ...sleep. I hope to
 read your story next time I'm on line, probably within the week. Nice
 to talk with you again. Take care, Mystery Writer (will visit the Trend
 site too).



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 01:33:44
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Greydon/

 Greydon is just fine, in fact I like it better than Greydie.

 Those three black squares in the corner are in the corrected earlier
 Hubble telescope. When first online in 1963 discovered was one of the
 worst bonehead scientific mistakes in history, that the lens ground at a
 over a hundred millions dollar cost was not given a last minute calibration
 test costing only a few thousand dollars, result being that when Hubble
 was launched into space astronomers discovered to their agonizing dismay
 that Hubble couldn't see anything not even the barn door everything was
 blurry worse than short sighted, the only thing possible was the exact
 center area of an image it was good enough to use even though at best,
 still very blurry. The scientists could see no way around the problem
 that the Hubble lens had been ground to perfect precision with a perfectly
 precise slight abberation perfectly ground into the lens. The lens had
 been ground to accuracies so precise that the minute deviations from the
 goal were virtually meaningless, it was the original specs which has the
 flaw, duely ground into the lens to near utter perfection. Bonehead was
 the least of the words most of the scientists called each other on that
 day of discovery. It threatened to break apart the cartel of modern
 astronomy into a slag heap.

 Finally a call went out world wide for the best scientific, astronomy,
 and technical thinkers to convene for a come-win-all come-loose-all think
 tank session, out of which came, after three weeks, a suggestion someone
 made to insert a corrector lens into the beam path between the final
 focus lens and input into the video camera, there was hardly room for
 the insert but built it was, lofted aboard a shuttle, installed, the
 new apparatus turned on, and within minutes there were stars! myriads
 of stars! where none had been seen before, Hubble now had better vision
 than even the most optomistic had predicted. The trade off is that the
 corrector lens in the beam path to the video camera occupies three square
 patches which appear in Hubble images as three black squares. The basic
 image rastering of this Hubble telescope was nine full squares in total
 to comprise a full image. The new revision circ, May 2002 has replaced
 all of this old rastering and video recording with a whole new setup,
 plus, using the idea of before, a ring this time, inserted as a further
 adjuster into the beam path to the new higher DPI video, the new corrector
 ring has been inserted to amplify the entire image from the main lens and
 includes automatic abberation correction as well as a boost of 10 times
 to 1000 times the resolution of the former system. Only 4 public release
 images have come from the new setup so far because shortly after it went
 on line circ April 2002 a serious new problem was discovered, that the
 intrinsic brightness from one corner (say upper left) to other corner
 (say lower right) of the new setup varied by 10% which in astronomy
 terms meant another brain wrecking disaster however since the end of
 August new software has been inserted into the pipe where the signal
 beams from the Hubble video camera to computers on earth, the interpretive
 softward inserted into the pipe has reduced the intrinsic brightness error
 to less than 1%. I do not know how significant this residual error means
 but it seems what has happened is that at the moment the new Hubble cannot
 be used for deep space imaging back to the near beginnings of time since
 intrinsic brightness of an object is one of the critical yardsticks in
 determining how far things go back and how much things have evolved
 since then.

 (insert)

 (A lingering error means 100,000 years hit or miss in trying to estimate
 the red shift age of an object said to be 10 billion light years away.
 I think, in the cosmology theories that are tick tacked and toed, the
 1% to too much of an error still, this is the impression I get from
 astronomy pages which try to clock the 'bigbang' and aftermath in exact
 micro seconds).

 (end insert)

 That sort of summarizes my ad hoc knowledge of the state of the art
 of the older Hubble telescope, and why its images had three black
 squares.

 My IQ is 163, my twin's is 173, former Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau's
 was 179, Jerry Lewis the commedian's is 189, my music collegue who
 composed and played on a 12 string Martin guitar for our two LP's back
 in the late 60's had an IQ of 202, one of the highest known at that time.
 A gal in Mensa has the highest known 235.

 I do not see high and higher IQ's, as the yardstick, so much as how much
 functional IQ a person has. For instance I have a poor memory ability
 which rules out graffitti and rote for points on IQ tests on the other
 hand I can abstractly turn a complex geometry figure not just upside
 down or backwards but inside out and tell what the result is selected
 correctly from A to E, I did the two toughest on university entrance
 exams both correctly and also all similar correctly, hardly anyone gets
 one of the big two geometry questions correctly I got both so noticably
 that I never had to take required courses except for 1st year english
 and a language and one year of a science, I was free to take and drop
 any courses I wished and every so often the Dean of Men would hustle me
 into his office for another small cash handout from the secret drawer,
 which is how I was able to attend UBC for 3 years. The point is the IQ
 is an indicator but not a label. What I mean by functional IQ is how much
 is used correctly, that is, if brillient, also brilliently correct,
 brillient but wrong is worthless. As for genius, I do not think I know
 of a genuis who was not emotionally or mentally crippled or abberated
 in some way, for instance look up genius' in reference books and find
 that most all have serious to gravely ill mental problems none were
 stable.

 For instance you write very well, even to simplistics describing the
 teleporting car keys but I read every word without hardly blinking till
 done that I appreciate as very good writing, which comes from better
 use of functional IQ, not from a Mensa test.

 Functional IQ also relates directly to consciousness awareness and
 ongoing expansion in consciousness, the functional IQ keeps acquiring
 more plateuas which have nothing whatever to do with memorized equations
 in a text book or passages of Shakespear recited on stage over and over
 and over again till the end of that interest in Shakespear. The best from
 a functional IQ can be far further ahead than anything from a high mensa
 IQ, for instance Jonathon Livinstone Seabull the book was an extremely
 potent illuminator for consciousness but all of the blazing high mensa
 IQ that went into Steven Spielberg's Peter Pan moved the consciousness
 awareness of its viewers forward by hardly a half a notch, let alone
 a light year at intergalactic speed. I can start getting into fishy
 proclamations at this point but do not think I will be happy risking
 it. The best a person can do with what they have is the best perfomance
 anyone can want, the issue is that most people can perform far beyond
 any current limits or horizons, this is where purpose takes over because
 purpose sees horizons farther away that come closer and limitations that
 were self imposed that can be put aside, whereas ambition does not see
 the need to change a point of view.

 Now, there, you see, you have made friends with one who also likes to
 amble and preamble when the mood suits.

 Greydon/



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:43 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Greydon/

 Hi first goahead download/read anything from 'sites el a moi'. I put
 things up, for instance in .txt form, hoping people will take the
 obvious easy choices and download.

 As for Mensa, knew some, never was one. As for being on the choice team
 trying to devise a fix for Hubble's shortsighted original lens not a
 chance for that matter I hadn't yet entered the fray anyway the Hubble
 fix was back in early 1994 and I didn't get into astronomy at all until
 late 1996, started cold turkey the very first time I went online with a
 Windows computer (Windows 95) this was on October 7, 1996, three weeks
 later, for the very first time, I saw a galaxy in 3D from its photo in
 mono, using 3D techniques I had spent 3 weeks uncovering and testing on
 my new Windows PC, the first time I saw a galaxy writhing through space
 I knew things were going to be very different as to how I handled what
 I did heading straight into the future. I didn't slow down in astronomy
 until May, 2002.

 The original galaxy was Ngc 2997, picture scanned from
 a Discover Magazine. You can see 'vortexing' galaxies
 (http://www.visitastronomy.com/vortex.htm) here.

 As for emails I like anyone who is honest, which includes being
 candid, which certainly includes you guys. As for genius et all I see
 more where others tend to see only so much, put another way I am always
 so more concerned with how others might view my remarks or emails in
 terms of -  genious, him, no, certainly not one of us', but in fact do
 not think in terms of genii and do not judge others in any such terms,
 the smartest people I have met seem more ordinary than ever except
 definately not bland where it shows is that these ordinary seeming
 types do more and even a great deal more where others do not expect
 it or have not been looking there.

 Spiritual awareness, or consciousness awareness, is somewhat similar,
 more is in the eyes of the beholder, and IQ per se comes around to have
 very little or even no meaning at all. Wisdom is big, where the missing
 IQ points that had no 'spiritual' ironed on them leave much to be desired
 especially amongst those who go around deliberately trying to impress
 people over such fakes as 'higher IQ'. Mensa has members like this,
 which is why I never became a member. Anyhow, wisdom occupies far more
 nearspace than does IQ.

 So what ever else you may feel, you guys are off the hook regards IQ's
 because the only people who put you on the hook are yourselves. See how
 easy it is to get off the hook. Pulll. Offff. See how easy. Nice to be
 reminded of that paragraph regards Orion. I had strong feelings regards
 'meaning it' when first writing that paragraph and still, when rereading
 it now. Unfortunately it is exactly that kind of remark that fills an
 understanding in people who are monitoring their Earthly inputs in terms
 of wisdom and not IQ's.

 (missingmass.net/3d-horse.htm) - Orion remarks.

 I would very much have liked to have made more such remarks over the
 years but have always had to feel the pinches of constraint expecially
 when seeing how some of the constraintees who will be reading are
 definately not of the wisdom type and most definately of the high IQ
 type.



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:55:47
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Re: Greydon/  Hi Greydon,

 It is so nice to hear from you, especially since you write about
 non-boring, mind-stretching things! You should see us when we read your
 stuff. I'm usually sitting. My husband looks over my shoulder. And then,
 when I write back, we sometimes write together. I'll say, "Do you think
 Greydon will stop writing because I sound like a dope?", or "Does this
 make sense?" or "Will this be too boring?" However, your answers are
 always so nice and interesting. For example, I really appreciate you
 telling me why there are 3 black squares in that Hubble picture. I will
 probably read it again and again and each time I will understand it a
 little better. I have always been a curious person, and sometimes the
 things I am curious about cause people to react with a "Who cares?" or
 "WHY do you want to know that?" type answer. I have always annoyed
 people with "buy why?" questions.

 You said you had a daughter You must have been a great father because
 when your daughter went through the "Why this? Why that?" stage, I
 imagine that you gave her wonderful answers. Now wait until you hear
 what I thought about the black squares. You'll think MY IQ is about 13,
 ha ha. I figured there must have been something Nasa wanted to hide,
 like space ships or space monsters or some sort of space kingdom -- or
 even souls flying into Orion. I'm being a little frivolous here, but not
 too much. I did think they were hiding something. Were you one of the
 brains that were called to solve the Hubble lens calamity? I knew you
 had a high IQ just from reading on your websites these past few years.
 All the geometry observations about space, which I do not pretend to
 understand well (but which nonetheless I like to read -- figure that
 out) just seemed so different (unique and better) from the information
 on most astronomy websites. You talked beyond science and put a little
 soul into things. We all loved it ("all" meaning us, friends and family
 we showed your sites to). I think what is the best is your total
 involvement in what you do. You don't seem like a talking head, but
 a communicating soul (There aren't too many of those in this world,
 at least on the surface), so while we might not always understand you
 intellectually, something about you resonates with something in us.

 It is nice that you will write to normal IQ'ers -- not that I think you
 view it as a benevolent favor to us, but let's face it, our notes are
 probably not the most scintillating of your emails! I like to PRETEND I
 have a high IQ. For example when I forget about boiling water and destroy
 yet another pot, I like to say, "It's because I was focused on higher
 things."

 The statement doesn't usually amuse a friend or family member with one
 less pot. Now you have given me yet another reason I can pretend. You
 said: "I do not think I know of a genius who was not emotionally or
 mentally crippled or abberated in some way". I can now attribute my
 paranoia and sound sensitivity to genius. (Example of paranoia: Once
 we couldn't get onto one of your sites. We kept getting re-routed and
 I thought the government thought you were too smart and didn't want
 anyone else becoming smarter because of your observations). Are you a
 member of Mensa? I imagine you are. Here is one of the first things we
 ever read of yours. I am sort of worried you might have not been writing
 this seriously. I am not sure, but I decided to take it seriously. It
 just (here comes that word again) resonated beautifully with a part of
 my mind that up to that point had gone unnoticed! It sounded 'true', so
 I hope you meant it. Who is the informant?  (It was me - greydie),

 "Cubes and Spheres
 abound in Orion for good
 reason. If a hint (mini revelation) is to
 be accepted from an informant psst psst, Orion is
 a gateway straight into higher dimensional frequequencies
 and octaves of Absolute Life and Intelligence, all originating
 from the Supreme Creators Alpha and Omega (Father and
 Mother of Creation and Reality). The doorway
 itself, into Orion, is here, standing
 on the plain in the next image
 and looking ahead up the
 long induction tube
 and Cube behind
 it rising up
 in front
 of you."

 Immediate dope reaction in 2000 when if first read it: "Oh my God. That
 is so cool." Now, I copied & pasted the above from Vistastronomy.com, but
 I had it on a disk years ago from another site (the seahorse one, i think).

 Speaking of sites, I have a slight fear I might not be allowed online for
 a couple of weeks, although I THINK that if my payment posts on time I
 will avoid being 'banned'! Anyway, for that reason I saved your Farstar
 story as a text file to my desktop. (I haven't had a long enough span of
 time where I know I will be able to read it all). That way, if I can't
 get on line, I will be able to read it when I have time. Is that okay?
 If it isn't, I will remove it and only read it online. Something about
 saving it to my desktop seemed, I don't know, 'plagiaristic' or 'in need
 of permission'. Please write back anyway. If they do keep me off for a
 while, your mail will stay at MSN until my bill is paid and then I will
 be able to access it. Hope to be able to write back soon.
 Mystery Writer

 Pictures of Cosmic glories can vanish in an instant when someone
 momentarily puts them away. Pictures can also vanish in an instant from
 an unwanted cause - anti christ spirits who kill kind thoughts in an
 instant. It is better to have the best pictures hidden momentarily than
 to have them momentarily spoiled in actual perceptual bad smashes by the
 world's most low radiant spiritual in bodies spoiling the kind thoughts
 of those who radiate up in the higher frequencies. Next time soon.
 Greydie/  -



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Sunday, October 20, 2002 22:51:00
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: replys reply

 Almost forgot to mention. I could say my life these days is long boredoms
 with now and then something of a bit of interest. All this due to the long
 waiting anticipating an income to start moving in. Prior, it was projects
 underway, long days lonnnng weeks with little in the way of buzz to
 interrupt the long periods. That would dispell myths as to emails flowing
 out on ticker tape ribbon around the world, not so, on a handful per week
 most of these site related as for instance technical aspects.

 My daughter and I were not aquainted until February of this years. It
 was one of those scenes where she knew who I was but I did not know of
 her birth until finally one day at age 81 (oops, in original email, she
 is 31) she felt she had accomplished enough that she could approach the
 old man (a moi) as an unteresting daughter rather than merely a girl who
 had a lifelong ambition to become a housewife.

 Anyway, needless to say I was delighted hearing from her, had no
 difficulty whatever accepting the whys and whens of her genesis
 involving me. etc. etc. She writes sings and bandleads jazz and
 jazzconcertrock on the west coast (Vancouver) did a European tour
 two years ago with her band and had just done a CBC and CBC Shortwave
 special where the next day still felt good enough about it, that she
 sent me an email. Like I say, I was delighted. But had no input of any
 kind at all in her growth spurts and upbringing, except from writings
 of mine from former author's output in print days to the end of the 60's,
 she grew up with it, she says.
 Greydie/



   ------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:30:34
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject:  Quick hello

 Hi Greydon,
 I just got on quickly to see if i was still "on" as far as MSN, and not
 banned.  I'm still on.  I only have time just now to write a quick hello,
 but I was amazed at your note about your daughter.  She would have loved
 having you around in those early years, but it is great that you got
 together now.  Plus it is interesting that she is in a band...following
 in your footsteps without even knowing what they were!  Will write again
 asap.  Gotta chase some income too.
 Mystery Writer



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 21:38:50
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Books and Age

 Hi Greydon, Wow, I can't believe I have been online 3X in 2 days ~
 unusual. I had a cancellation tonight, which is great, because I like
 free time. Did you put **Spam** in the subject line because you are
 getting strange codes again from me? If so, I have an idea of something
 a little different I can try to avoid it. You mentioned "low radiant
 spiritual in bodies". Have you read The Celestine Prophecy? It talks
 a lot about radiating spiritually. Some people hate the book, and some
 find it boring. There's even a website that is called "Why I hate The
 Celestine Prophecy", but I would recommend it, even though you might
 find it a bit simplistic because of your savantness. I give the author
 (James Redfield) a lot of credit for trying to put these what he calls
 "9 insights" down on paper. The insights sort of map out a wishful
 path (if we ever stop heading down, down, downhill) for humanity.

 The insights are presented in a kind of adventure novel about pieces
 of a missing manuscript. I didn't know JLS was ever a movie! Jonathan
 Livingston Seagull was written by Richard Bach, but if you want to read
 another book by him, try Illusions ~The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah.
 I loved it, so I have to recommend it. I am not really an avid reader,
 but I tend to read the same things over and over so the titles stand out
 in memory. You know how some things come up in your life again and again.

 By things I mean ideas, words, kismet sort of things. For me it has
 always been intention or purpose. I wasn't even surprise when you
 mentioned purpose in one of your last emails, because that seems to
 be one of my life lessons. Even your good advice to "pull ourselves
 off the hooks" rung of purpose. It was a reminder for me. I'm on so
 many hooks it's ridiculous. Intellectually I know we create our own
 heavens and hells to a certain degree, but on a soul level I still have
 yet to claim this power. Both Celestine and Illusions delve into purpose.
 I shouldn't say "I think you would like them", because I shouldn't
 assume, but just this ONCE I will say it: I think you would like them,
 esp. Illusions. Also great reading: The Four Agreements (author slips
 my mind). I'll need to study that book (4 agreements) for the rest of
 my life. It all makes such crystal clear sense until I try to live it
 in daily life. I have to tell you, if my husband was writing instead of
 me right now, he would have no problem telling our age.

 I am on a hook in that respect. I won't even tell myself my own age,
 although I will tell you that you are right: we are not 1st year
 university students. (Have you ever heard of neurolinguistic programming?
 I'm trying to make my mind and body believe I'm about 19 forever, so I
 will never say a number). Sadly, I really believe that. I think if you
 tell your brain (or don't tell it) certain things, you can avoid stuff
 like aging. It's my mother's fault, ha ha -- she said to never tell my
 age. She took 12 years of hers on her driver's license! I remember being
 8 years old and thinking, "I can't believe I'm so old - 8." That is the
 truth. That is because I felt like an adult very young because my Mom
 was always sad. I felt I had to fix things and I think that is what
 caused this age-fear problem. Also, society itself feeds the fear. You
 are right when you say older people are ignored. It is horrible. Ever
 since I read an article about a lady who was part of an experiment to
 see how people in general treated the elderly, I have made it a point to
 never "look through" an older person. The lady was about 26 or so. She
 dressed up as an elderly woman, had the make-up and fake wrinkles done,
 etc. When waiting in line to pay for something at a drug store, she
 observed the cashier smile and make conversation with the young person
 in front of her. When the 26 year old, dressed as someone around 80,
 approached the register to pay, the cashier changed veneers quickly:
 from friendly to brisk and rather rude. I've even thought someday I would
 have plastic surgery. I'm plain looking, but that "fountain of youth"
 syndrome is still big in my mind and I am probably more afraid of aging
 than most. Would you mind just thinking of us as a couple of floating
 ageless souls? I think you told me how old you are, but I forgot. I
 have sort of trained myself not to acknowledge age. It is too filled
 with prejudice. I am going to go read your other email. Talk to you
 in a minute.
 Mystery Writer



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 21:47:56
   To: greydie@look.com
   Subject: One last thing...

 Greydon, You didn't tell me who the "informant psst psst" who gave you
 the mini revelation about Orion was. Maybe that is a secret you want to
 keep?

 (insert)

 Footnote to above, added later - No one gave me a pssst about Orion.
 - I was transported there in a cage (not unlike an elevator) erected
 specifically and only for that interdimensional transport in journey
 straight to Orion, I arrived and stepped out on a deck overlooking
 lushness and three I knew physically on Earth (on a first name basis
 as Earth body world beings) were there - in fact, too many times to
 count, the four of us had been together in the same place confabbing
 on Earth over some years of importance) - great jubilation that the
 transportation device had worked (many local obstactles, including my
 ability to grasp the occurrence could have derailed the whole attempt)
 - great shuddering and hard chatters through the pituitary (higher
 actions) and ego (lower actions) centers as the two centers clashed
 in so unfamiliar a mode of experience, than down to practical matters
 lasting all too shortly, as if, no different, than the four of us on
 Orion, then it began to unravel and dissolve when cross firing short
 circuiting thoughts began to imposition in from my ego, it happens, and
 suddenly I was back on Earth laying upon the nightly sleeping surface in
 the wee hours, somewhat stunned that the adventing venture had actually
 happened, and verrrry impressed as to how much us mortals can actually
 experience in Reality's ways and means if we do not freak out blow it
 when the advent is happening. Alien abductions step aside, these
 adventures featuring Reality are real, and what is best in the way
 of good news, the Reality advents are our heritage to come, not the
 exclusivety of a tiny handful of specials who only can 'adventure' when
 the time comes. You too, are able to phyically teleport to other regions
 beyond the solar system, all that is needed is to have inner eyes wide
 open and inner chaoses stable when the adventure begins to unfold.

 Psychiatric couches are not needed in interpreting these flights around
 Reality, they are our heritage, more, then more, for then more beings
 in mortalworld body bags, are going to be happening in your lifetimes.



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 00:17:56
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: greydie/ - Books and Age

 Hi Mystery Writer, have just read this email, more to go, responding
 to this, no  *spam*  has ever been intended by me it gets left in the
 subject line when I reply without reading the subject line details
 before 'sending' the reply.  At least half my short output of emails
 goes out with *spam" still thar in thet wet line whar I donut wantit.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 00:31:36
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: **SPAM** Re: Guranteed no spam. Hopefully no spam

 Oh jeeps I have to apologize for **spams** in the subject line just sent
 off a quick email to you guys and guess what went with it, then opening
 this email. See, like I have said, the word **span** in my incoming mail
 is inserted only in mostly good emails, the bad stuff, penis enlargement,
 my lifetime approval for instant online credit at the internet's hottest
 porno sites, the money I never knew I won and how to ensure I get it by
 registering now at once to poddle's services which guarantees how you
 can claim your loto wins, casinos, crapituitous violence you name it all
 sailing straight through untouched from Storm Internet services but from
 my friends my best well wishes it is all **spam** according to Storm so
 I am concluding that Storm must be one-of-those evil empire anti christ
 activities where everything is done at just about exactly 180 degrees
 the opposite of how they should be getting done.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 00:36:31
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Pssst pssst - One last thing...

 Hi, the informant is me, I am pssst pssst giving the mini revelation to
 anyone who reads that paragraph, the mini revelation is what is written
 there about Orion.
 Greydie/



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:05 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Lite stuff - greydie/

 Email from my twin brother. I couldn't resist either.

 Subject: Re: light stuff Greydie, couldn't resist. Cliff.

 One day the big animals and the little animals decided to have a football
 game. As the first half went along, the big animals were scoring at will.
 Every time they got the ball they would run it in for a touchdown.

 Then came the second half...

 First play: The elephant runs the ball up the middle. WAP!! Tackled for
 a five yard loss. The little animals go back to the huddle cheering and
 congratulating each other. "Who made that tackle?" asked the ant. "I did,"
 said the centipede.

 Second play: The rhinoceros runs the ball up the middle. WHOMP!! Tackled for
 another five yard loss. Back in the huddle the flea asked, "Who made that
 great stop?" "I did," said the centipede.

 Third play: The gorilla tries an end sweep, led by the hippo throwing the
 lead blocks. SMACK!! Centipede tackles him for a ten yard loss. Back in the
 huddle,  the gnat asked the centipede, "Where were you in the first half?"

 The centipede replied, "Puttin' on my shoes!"



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Saturday, October 26, 2002 22:22:20
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Love it (the joke and the story).

 Hi Greydon,
 Very cute joke. Came at a funny time. I just 'saved' a centipede
 so no one would kill it.

 Right as Clyde was sending his mail, I saw his salutation. "It's
 'Greydon', Silly, not 'Greyson'!" Clyde apologizes for that.

 I am more than halfway through your story -- just reached Chapter 12.
 I have to read in total quiet with a knowledge that I will not be
 interrupted with a work call, noise, etc.; hence my slowness in getting
 through it. As I read it, I've written little notes. They are in red
 below (I hope they arrive to you in red), ( - they did GM) only because
 some of them are questions that I hope you might answer at your leisure.
 Please don't feel you have to answer them all at once or right away or
 ever. They are just what ente red my mind when I read your stuff. I
 cannot pretend to understand all of it, but I love reading it because
 little treasures pop up throughout everywhere.

 What is a psychic impostion? I took it as a "being" somehow attacking or
 using you psychically. Do you really think that is what migraines are? Do
 you believe in possession? Do you know how to get rid of a possessor?
 (I gleaned later that psychic imposition comes from live nearby people,
 not invisible beings. Is it sort of like energy mixing and energy
 stealing?) What does this mean?

 (insert)

 See: Cosmic Translation Class titled: - planetary quaranteen,
                                         and psychic impositions

 (end insert)

   "I hope to see real useful achievements come from the future in
   the use of computer generations to teach the first hardest of all
   principles to grasp in Reality, when stranded on the ground floor
   looking for a door that everyone everywhere says is elsewhere",
   says Nancy, taking a chance at the moment to get more to the
   point in the purpose of her demonstration".

 I love this!

   "I can see that much good can come from teaching the children the wise
   way by letting them see for themselves certain ways things work so their
   insights are awakened for reaching out inwardly to the greater realms in
   the Universe, without ever being aware there was a door. I'm not talking
   about a god with holy smoke blowing from his nostrils, and preachers
   howling about the fury".

 Is there really a computer called a "Farstar"? Do you think regular
 computers can do this after a while (work "closer to the personality
 and thinking patterns of the user")?

   "In this regard, the Farstar Units worked much closer to the personality
   and thinking patterns of the user, than any other computer device ever
   previously built."

 Cool:

   "And this notion had moved in on her very deeply. Nancy began to dwell
   on it all the time in some private quarter of her consciousness: what
   was it that excluded some people from having an awareness of a kind that
   other people (such as herself) took for granted."

 (I feel sorry for Eebles because he is SO lost that he would not know
 himself if he were found) This is great, almost as great as dancing
 with a dog:

 "Something triggered into place at that moment, literary philosophers
 might call it an epiphanation, anyway, I started peeling back my conciet
 levels and hoo boy eventually peeled all the way back to kindergarten.
 Anticipations set up by other people's expectations of my performance.
 Turned out by the time I got to university I had developed many subtle
 conciets about my ability and my rights to be hailed for them. But it
 was all based on pre-concieved attitudes and beliefs formed by the
 lesser wills of others."

 I suddenly have a better more "lit up" understanding of "higher
 frequencies". Greydon rocks. My favorite part so far:

   "Nancy the intuitive, who reasons by sensations and images,
   mnemonically, along paths of least resistence. And Sluggo with
   the dazzling eidetic memory, who recalls complex equations as easily
   as kids recalling the alphabet. Yet who can't readily tell the next
   way to go, if at all, when a string of equations have a missing
   statement that hasn't yet been written , for instance at the
   end of an idea. That was just three days ago, three days
   at once, it seems.

   Interestly, Nancy is one of those who is unable to turn it on or off
   at will. Fast clear thoughts happen on the spur of the moment for
   her. The timing can be totally unpredictable, and sometimes totally
   inappropriate. Nancy does not have one of those lineally thinking
   brains that is plugged in to schedules according to a 9 to 5 syndrome,
   or status measured by on the spot rewards, or preprogrammed hour by
   hour through every day starting before grade school and continued
   daily every time a TV set is turned on.

   The guy who invented the Farstar Unit's logics was a similar type, who
   had learned over the years how to capture creative whims usefully, and
   how to be ready on hand prepared to do something useable, whenever
   super high frequencies in logic switched on in consciousness.

   And now, today, another day gone by into the twilight hour. Nancy
   doesn't really have any specific thoughts or purpose at this moment.
   Stray thoughts keep randomly roaming around like touches of slightly
   musty winds in the ethers. Probably some stray residues from Lucifer's
   feeble flight across this little sector of the cosmos. Now that's a
   stray idea, faded and gone, hardly before it arrived long enough to
   register in Nancy's consciousness."

 Greydon, I have printed out some and read some more since then, but not
 taken notes. There are SO many cool ideas in it. I should finish this
 week, but it is the type of story I would want to read again. Hope you
 are having a nice weekend.
 Mystery Writer

 (insert)

 The story is: The Farstar Stories, at: (missingmass.net/farstar.txt).



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 10:49 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Reply - Love it (the joke and the story).

 Ho, note I got rid of the **spam** in both your incoming emails, this
 time I went to that word first and deleted, so there is no chance of you
 getting **spam** accidentally back in your face, this time there should
 be no devastating shocks. I sincerely hope I am never the unintensioned
 but careless cause of **spam** again (humble cringe appology).

 Interesting, seeing excerpts, in particular exactly what passages you
 chose to excerpt, in reading them I do not see you trying to put yourself
 in the picture rather you have taken care for passages that say a whole
 lot in a few words, in other words, passages with expansions in
 illumination and awareness, not easy stuff to willfully write about
 ergo the use of the two Nancy and Sluggo as metaphors for anyone
 undergoing intuitive continually progressing inner changes to more
 illumination, for everyone it is basically different but certain
 parameters remain fundamentally the same no matter whose short story
 in their live line they appear in, so, Nancy's changes, and Sluggo's
 changes, are changes which can be recognized within by most people as
 well as recognized as being seeing happening in other people.

 Change expecially planetary is a big subject, showing a few quick steps
 through the time fields can accelerate change as long as no one gets
 guided up a garden path by some spokesperson's carelessness. Anyhow,
 it was kind of quite interesting reading those passages out of contest
 except I recognized each at once. I cannot say that any came all at the
 same time, this 'story' was spread out over all told 8 years even though
 I have quoted 6 - in that time, short spurts of inspiration and the
 story would expand, or some hinted point open up to more introspection.
 Often, I would forget it was written and be suprised reading it later.
 Nice saying hello again.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Saturday, October 26, 2002 22:13:57
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: She let me have a turn

 Hey Greyson,  This is Mystery Writer's husband, Clyde. Mystery Writer
 actually let me sit down and  write to you. Your story was wild. Didn't
 really understand the computer stuff, but tried to, and I liked some of
 the ideas. MW isn't done yet maybe way thotta tell you, I suggested to
 MW that she might not want to read a certain part. Now she does what she
 wants (I'm not censoring), but I know her and she iswella little prudish.
 (She would be the first to admit this not talking behind her back.) It
 was the "scratching in the space suit" part and visual imagery that
 followed. I snickered myself, but suggested to her that she could
 skip one part, the main idea of which was (correct me if I am wrong)
 WHY THE HELL DO THINGS THE HARD WAY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO? I think
 she said she took my suggestion. At one point she said to me: "I feel
 uncomfortable reading about Princess Precious & also Bible toting.
 Sounds sort of like me except for the academy intelligence. Greydon
 wouldn't like  me." I said: "Don't be a dufus. It's a story!" MW does
 read the Bible a bit too much for my liking, but I'm happy to say she
 doesn't push it on those of us who do not care for it. Anyway, Mystery
 Writer is about to open your mail. Gotta take my place looking over her
 shoulder again. We have both wanted to reach you for years to tell you
 how awesome your web sites are, but Mystery Writer especially has tried
 to email you at several different addresses. Glad her wish has finally
 come true.



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Saturday, October 26, 2002 23:19:57
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: - reply - She let me have a turn Yo ho Clyde.

 This email has strange ansi characters it means probably written in
 some format mode not being interpreted by my Incredimail, if it can be
 done, basic text mode, or, 'no formating', should solve the problem but
 I think I was able to read everything in and around the strange ansii
 characters. I am guessing you two are on a time share regards either
 the computer, or onlinetime or both. If true it further points out how
 tough living below rich people's standards can really be. I am lucky in
 that my Windows 98 machine had been enough for my astronomy, and writing,
 but, there is no music not a single note or speaker and most all movie
 formats do not run on my computer, so, from those points of view I am
 very handicapped in computer power, but, have it 24 hours a day for
 anything I need when I need it. The whole of the Farstar Stories began
 as a lark when a friend of mine circ 1987-89 had become pre-occupied
 with 'artificial intelligence' which at that time specifically meant
 a way of programming computers to understand spoken and written word
 commands so I kept thinking of ways it would be impossible to have a
 computer actually fathom influections which give meanings to words this
 is how the Farstar Stories started, then, it did not take long for fun
 to take hold and passage after passage, one near the beginning, one near
 the end, one near the middle, another near the beginning, so on, got
 written and soon, 6 years later, I was proof reading the final version.
 I am a bit surprised at moralistic reaction to the demo of how to
 scratch in a space suit vrs straight to it in a room, I sort of did
 my best to keep purile and obscene matters out of the story, compared to
 anything published today expecially with big royalties up front and on
 the best seller lists 'The Farstar Stories' ain't ever publishable not
 the right stuff to make it a guarantee. As for academic, I am not sure
 what you mean, academic attitudes expecially those used to conciel lacks
 of talent are not my favorite mind sets in fact over the years I have
 had little to nothing to actually do with 'academics' per se but have
 had appreciation for individuals who excel at what they do with little
 fanfare about it. Academics usually have to promote themselves to be
 heard for instance many minutae publications and conference/symposium
 attendences so they become known or famous more by what conferences
 attended than by actual wisdoms or talents. The Academy of the Farstar
 Stories is strickly a name, I kept in mind the Frence Academy of Artists
 as a role model rather than Harvard University or NASA headquarters.

 Anyhooo, nice hearing from you Clyde, I am in appreciation over the
 effort you guys have made over the two years trying to keep in touch.

 I was always a little hurt in the achievement buffers as one opened
 website, then another, then anothers went off line each in turn not
 stressed so much regards individuals trying to reach me so much in
 having a sustained continuity so frequently interrupted. The plus side
 is the whole expense for these sites was not much more than meybe $4,000
 perhaps $5,000 dollars pit this against expenses for sky diving or bungee
 jumping or collecting stamps with single minded intent and you will see
 it is possible to do a great deal with nearly nothing, all that is needed
 is a will to self sacrifice, which can be anything, including no pizza
 for 6 months or no Chinese smorgasborg for a year, not to mention no
 chicken of any kind in the house for months, no steaks, no costly pies
 cakes pastries, no expensive frozen dinners, nothing except basics which
 can be purchased cheap in bulk barns.

 Self sacrifice goes a lot further, you can spend years off and on on
 a project before seeing it completed or successfully concluded. It helps
 to be independent enough that in choosing self sacrifice only yourself
 experiences the consequences. Anyway, there is another email got to go
 take a peek at it.
 Greyie/



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:04 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: 144, 444 
000x1000, $$$

 Just an expression, that something positively expands 1000x1000. The
 number 33 is a particularly good number in terms of archangel activities
 however 33 has also been usurped, for instance the 33rd level in masons
 to become a shriner, the shriner number 33 has nothing to do with an
 actual 33 pointed star which is embodiement of a Melchizedek Star (trust
 me on this and ask more questions not, since there is little I can add
 to this, except to say a 33 pointed star represents very high order.
 The signature 'In Divine Order' can be used with the 33 pointed
 Melchizedek seal.

 As for 444, I do not see as much favor as I do with 333, which links to
 both 33, and 1/2 of 666 so that 333 is a positive translating factor for
 666, translated, for instance by 333. See how carefully I am being to not
 leave that other number as last word, when 333 is always better.

 Other than that, there is little I might say about numbers that is more
 universal for everyone. For instance I always look for 6 before 5, and
 12 before 10, meaning if I can get 6 features or sides, so much the
 better than 5. If I can see 12 items rather than 10, so much the better,
 although there is no fast rule here for instance the number of grocery
 items bought in any trip to the store is meaningless that is, the number
 of items can be anything.

 But, three times lucky, just as true is 3 times unlucky, it seems.
 Another expression is 'once surprised, twice unlucky, third times
 stupid', so, with that in mind, a person is much less likely to
 commit a bad mistake more than twice.

 There is no such nmemmonic for 4r's or 5v's. I also hold more interest
 in 7 s, 9's, and 11's. but, that is me and have always liked those
 numbers. Root 2, Root 3, and Root 5 are also very big on the number
 tumbles parade but relationships involving those are of a much more
 structural more unmutable levels of existence.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 07:28:46
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: **SPAM** No spam

 Hi Greydon,
 You are so funny ~ no need to humble cringe apologize for *spam*! I am
 just always vigilant for viruses, and there were some heavy ones going
 around for a while. I usually don't delete email right away and I
 happened to glance up and see *spam* listed vertically a few times.
 I thought, Poor Greydon. He is trying to tell me I'm still sending
 wierd codes and I just noticed :) If I see it again I won't worry.
 There is something I keep forgetting to ask you. In one of your earlier
 emails you mentioned that 108 is not a good number. The only reason I
 remembered is because when stopping the VCR recently, the number in the
 display section of the screen was 108! I remembered and thought, oh no,
 better fast forward a little. Why is 108 a bad number?
 Mystery Writer



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:42:24
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: No spam at last - gasp

 The reason(s) why 108 is not a good number are widespread.

 For example 108 men concocted the modern english bible version, not a
 single woman, just exactly 108 men. 108 men comprise an inner active
 ruling council of the vatican. Hindu's Krishna had 108 names for
 different incarnations. The karma sutra has 108 different positions
 for sex. And on it goes. It has been said that an original planetary
 council at the time of the fall to the Luciferian Rebellion 250 thousand
 years ago, had 108 comprising the council. A full planetary council would
 comprise 144 which is stablized in formations confirmed by 6 and 12 sided
 numeric and geometric harmonics however an experimental 108 member
 planetary council was underway testing various uses and applications of
 numbers and geometries related to 5 and 10 sided figures. Attempts have
 been underway to secure a council of 144 equal in men and women, 144
 is 24x6 and 24 is 12 men + 12 women. One half of 144 is 72 which hooks
 straight into geometries of 5 and 10 sided figures, (each angle of a 5
 sided figure is 72 degrees) so in 144 the untethered 5 sided star
 harmonics are anchored by the more universally stable 6 sided star
 harmonics.

 But, as you can see, in the ontology of planetary factors 108 has been
 used to try and rule everywhere, and most everywhere with a complete
 domination of men over women. So, you can tell, just by these examples,
 that 108 is not one you would wish to choose as your lucky number.
 Greydie/

 Now, I do have to caution you, that numerology per se is not my forte,
 that is, I do know something about some numbers but little about other
 numbers, further, what I might know changes that is this month is
 different than next month, however certain numbers do stand forward,
 108 in particular for the bad guys, 12 in particular for the good guys.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:51:35
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: 144, 444, $$$

 Wow - I think I remember 144,000 being mentioned in Revelations,
 and it represented a number of people chosen who were 'good'. I also
 remember reading somewhere that 777 is perfection. I continue to see
 444 everywhere ~ license plates, computer screen, newspaper. I did find
 a book, 5 years after I started seeing that number, with a chapter called
 "The 444's", but I didn't care for the book itself. It claims 444 is Angel
 communication. That would be nice. And I found a "444 Forum" on line
 where other people who see this number share experiences on how the
 number appears at critical times and helped influence decisions. I
 found it amazing that (after seeing the number for 5 or 6 years) there
 were other people who saw the number regularly also, but disconcerting
 that they used it to help make decisions. (Then again, if i were to take
 a course with 108 in the course number, I would think twice about it now!)

 (insert)

 You are right, if a number like that came up on me, I would leave the
 room thinking how bad can omens get.

 (end insert)

 I am happy because I finally received a paycheck that was due months
 ago. I am not being shut out of MSN this time. Hope your dollars due
 have come your way too. With your sites and the work that you put in
 (though maybe it takes you just a few minutes to do a page like
 (http://visitastronomy.com/special.htm) ~ that is amazing. Seems
 like weeks of work), you should have money pouring down on your head.
 Mystery Writer

 (insert)

 At most, about 2 1/2 days except for the real long ones. Short pages
 with easily handled images even many can finish waiting in about 1/2
 a day or 8 hours.

 (end insert)



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:33 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: 144, 444 
000x1000 
000X1000. $$$

 If you can draw a 33 pointed star it will be a significant feat, to
 be able to draw one from structural principles is not known locally
 although it has been done, even registered as a seal, but the
 circumstances were then very unusual and the means of constructing
 the star using geometry principles has stayed with the seal, I did a
 construction once upon a time 24 years ago using special relativity
 transformations as a main input formula but the construction was very
 awkward to do even though a correct one but was not the construction
 used for the seal. If you can do one (33 pointed star) this will be
 a significant advent. By intrinsic construction principles means
 every angle of the 33 is totally and perfectly correct, not as
 if drawn by hand, estimating angles and hoping for lucky strikes.

 Meanwhile, Drunvalo is not the Melchizedek who was involved in the seal
 and the 33 pointed star, I do not embolden myself to hurtle names but of
 that Drunvalo proclaim-name I can say have no doubt that misdeads are at
 play here, many minor games, played without consciousness awareness that
 illuminates higher dynamic realms involving people currently hankering
 the surface of Earth and need to be reminded of where they have come from
 and why they are here. The Melchizedek (of the Seal) has nothing, also,
 to do with Morman's nor Mormon claims to special writing and special
 dispensations. In fact, Melchizedek (of the Seal) is somewhat of a
 secret subject, that is, not blared from pulpits or mountaintops, on
 the other hand, people who are inexorably gliding along a search that
 keeps turning towards possible Melchizedek information are concidered
 worth a second look and oportunities arrive with information worth the
 effort but only where information is concidered able to expand and
 improve positive circumstances for not just Earth. Individual souls
 still unruly with roil in the aftermath of the rebellion can pick up
 vapor trails leading towards Melchizedek (of the Seal) but soon enough
 short circuit themselves back out of the picture hardly before they have
 started to be raised up in frequency.

 Behind Melchizedek (of the Seal) is Christ Family and Christ Energy
 Principles directly at work and this is an unfolding somewhat even very
 different than that so far suspected by New Agers and mystical truth
 seekers who only search for a path and pride themselves when finding
 one but then stand at the gate doing nothing else but stealing the pride.

 Anyway, some more from the lore of Greatstar. In keeping with the Bonnie
 and Clyde mystery of you two, say hello to Clyde for me. Positive beliefs
 keep unfolding all the way up to 144,000 give or take a few 144,000. Give
 or take a few is the maximum number of facets to be found in a pure
 geometry form originating from a Star of David enclosed inside a hexgram
 sphere to comprise what is known as 'The Cube And Sphere' - the simple
 geometry form with its indwelt 144,000 facets is what is wished at the
 present time as an understandable image-principle on Earth for the
 Supreme Creators Alpha and Omega.

 (Alpha and Omega is not a name from genesis boomed through the heavens
 for the rest of eternity, Alpha and Omega are Greek words for beginning
 and end and this is deemed suitably good enough for us Earth/World wisdom
 greeters the present time, if everyone knows the name Alpha and Omega
 everyone will know THE fundamental principle of total female and male
 equality).
 Greydon/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Monday, October 28, 2002 21:55:06
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Re: 144, 444 =000x1000, $$$

 THat makes me feel differently about the #3. For no good reason I have
 tended to shun the #'s 3, 6, & 9 (will eat 2, 4 or 5 crackers, but not 3
 or 6 ~ now you see how whacked I am.) And I had no idea that there was
 such a thing as a 33 pointed star, which sounds spectacular. (I tried to
 draw it, but gave up quickly.) When I typed Melchizedek Star into Google,
 I found quite a few sites. This one was kind of interesting in an ethereal
 way (who am I kidding? Nothing is really of much interest to me unless
 it seems ethereal or unearthly or totally absorbs my attention.
 "Entertainment" on a surface level, where you're not completely immersed,
 seems like a waste of time to me):

 (http://www.angelfire.com/ms/MelchizedekAngel/melframe.html)

 (insert)

 The first link to a description started off interesting for a
 trip through paragraphs before I noticed only eastern law terms
 peppering the whole. The question is who, writing, had initially
 caught my attention.

 I am not certain. All of the images are from eastern law, which is
 based on the dissolving past. For a moment thought I might know a
 being incarnate who might have written it, another look suggested
 the writer did not have in sight any available messiah language
 terms, so could not have been the other, the other is thought by
 me not certain where the status of the other writer is at present
 nor how much the other learned since we last aquainted, and how
 much might have been lost by overcrowding impositions effecting the
 other who had a more difficult time than I did catching fast flying
 snowballs coming around slow motion curves.

 As for the writer of the second rendition, I can see him racing out
 of the closet dancing a limbo. It was the proclamation giving himself
 dominion over the entire planet that stopped me in a sideways skid.
 Before that, he had messiah terms apparant in the language, which
 is why I skidded sideways leaving a landmark.

 (end insert)

 Speaking of which, I'm off to read more of your story, a nice
 escape from plainism, and a definite attention absorber.

 Mystery Writer



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:11 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: Stars, Sagacity & Spirit

 Christ manifestations and actions cannot occur by just the few of spoken
 words by mortals scarely able to comprehend a higher state of being let
 alone be there while walking around the Earth. Christ Energy Principles
 are amongst the virtues which allow higher manifestations to occur in
 succeeding lower dimensions down into our 3rd. They are like the
 fundamental physics which makes the Hydrogen Atom possible, Christ
 Energy Principles are the fundamental and absolute tools and devices
 found in mathematics and geometries which make actions possible, even
 after an action has been willed in order to fullfull a desire, peace on
 Earth, for instance.

 Drawing the 33 pointed star was not easy and came after time over
 several years learning that calibre of math and trigonometry - self
 taught. I never once thought of being an astronaught in fact back in
 the early days when I could have been thinkinng of that I was thinking
 everyday as to how to succeed as a jazz and dance drummer barely able
 to make ends meet despite moving higher and higher up the desirable
 gigs lists. My 33 star version (in 1977) was able to show a nearly
 absolute perfection in 33 pointed geometry was possible but my version
 worked on closure toward an infinitely small point representing more and
 more discretely accurate renderings of an angle, but, no, not the angle
 exactly. The 33 pointed star (of the seal) apparently I was told is a
 statement now known on Earth as it is throughout heaven.

 Christ Energy Principles are statements upon which Creation is made
 Christ entering the Creation domain outbreath at a certain critical
 part of the process.
 Greydon/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:59:35
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: Stars, Sagacity & Spirit

 Hi Greydon,
 Yes, that Drunvalo guy seems a little suspicious, maybe too
 self-aggrandizing.

 I am low on work this week, which is tough, but it means I can email
 people during the week and surf a little. I can't even begin to fathom
 how you drew that star. Why is it that you know so much? Did you just
 have the knowledge already, absorb it at high speeds, or study forever?
 Were you and your brother babies that talked at like 6 months, or did
 your genius reveal itself later? Do you ever think about going into
 space as a civilian scientist, like has been done on occasion? Imagine
 if you worked on the Hubble how much better our star pictures would be.
 When you talked about "New Agers and mystical truth seekers who only
 search for a path and pride themselves when finding one but then stand
 at the gate doing nothing else but feeling the pride" it reminded me of
 a book I am reading The Secret of Shambala" (the third in a set of books
 by James Redfield). In fact, the gist of the book is that simply being
 satisfied with finding and knowing some truth is wrong, that truth and
 awareness must be used for and spread to others. For someone like myself,
 still in the multiplication-table-memorization-stage of spiritual
 awareness, Redfield's books are helpful.

 What are Christ Energy Principals? P.S. I said hi to Clyde & he returns
 greetings :D



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Greydon Moore
   Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:42 PM
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: return - I spoke too soon.

 Soooo, on-the-road contracts are for better rather than worse, that is,
 a hint is revealed of what you living-do but also enough hinted that
 there could be security issues that is, I have had friends who have had
 government or supercorp contracts who were not allowed to say a peep
 about them, money was good not fantastic, and job description not so
 fancy either because of the security silence, I once upon times say
 10-12 years ago was on projects requiring name badge to enter premises
 and in one case had security clearence given only to top program
 supervisors - I was called in from the outside to help a senior cross
 Canada data supervisor in one situtation in particular where only one
 more clearence level was possible above what I momentarily had, but,
 at least, I could go through this fed govmt's 5 story building without
 having to lock my gaze and face straight ahead front at all times, in
 fact, used to boot from the 4th down to the closed men's restroom on
 the 3rd floor which had become the building's emergency smoking room
 when new clean air policies became enforced for federal government
 buildings, and there, leaning against the wall all along in front of
 these old abandoned urinals, were the government's queen's printers
 supervisors both men and women all in a long row facing the urinals,
 only a few talking and those speaking out of the thick pall of subtle
 embarassment these circumstances required made occasional feeble jokes,
 including me. Anyway, that included my best security level experiences.
 I digress. I am not sure how to remark on the book you mentioned. If
 'God Calling' makes any reference whatsever to god in personification,
 for instance as 'he , 'him', or 'his', forget the book in that no one
 operating within any Christ Energy Principles awareness would ever make
 that mistake. Are you going to be able to send out emails on the road or
 do you vanish during your tours of duty, hope you can stay online, two
 weeks is a long pause. Scientific research field trips or archeology
 perhaps, hmmm. Hi Clyde.
 Greydie/



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 17:33:10
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: I spoke too soon.

 Hi Greydon,
 No sooner had I written you and told you I was low on work, and even
 looking forward to some free time, when *BINGO* circumstances completely
 turned around. Now it seems, and thank God it came in the nick of time,
 I will be working a short (months) but super heavy, traveling
 no-days-off-for-2-weeks-at-a-time contract. It's such a conflict. I need
 to do these things, but sometimes when I do them, I get away from Christ
 principles, meditation, and peace. So I have mixed emotions about this
 contract (Yay - we can pay some overdue bills. Boo hoo, I'll have no free
 time.) Clyde is not thrilled that I will be away a lot, but knowing the
 work is a contract, and not permanent, is helpful.

 Reading what you said about Christ energy, and what you discussed
 previously (paraphrased, "Why do people only worship the dead Christ?"),
 I wondered if you had ever read "God Calling".. It is not a religious
 book by some clergy member. The author is anonymous and the intro by
 the editor tells us that two women who chose to remain anonymous claim
 to have written the book through inspiration of the *living* Christ.
 The book mentions how the world is mistaken in worshipping the dead
 Christ only. Now it is somewhat religious, but very different. If you
 get it, i would be interested to know what you think. It's in used
 bookstores, and most definitely in Christian bookstores, but it is
 not preachy. I had this epiphany once that THIS, our earth life, is
 a moment when we have been drawn out of some spiritual world situation.
 As soon as we learn the things we need to know, boom, we die and are
 back in the exact moment we left off on in the spiritual world, but we
 are then armed with what we needed in that moment, in that realm,
 because of our earth experience. (Kind of like here, when we go and
 take a course in order to gain a skill needed to continue on one of our
 earthly paths.) In God Calling, there is one similar point where earth
 life is compared to what is in parentheses within a story or paragraph.
 You read what is in the parentheses, and then you continue on with the
 article and a better understanding of it because of what was in the
 parentheses. Wow, I am beginning to bore myself, so I will stop the
 prattle for a while and wish you a peacefull All Hallow's Eve.
 Mystery Writer.



   -------Original Message-------
   From: Mystery Writer
   Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:08:51
   To: Greydon Moore
   Subject: D'oh!2

 Just in case you haven't seen The Simpsons, I forgot to tell you:
 "D'oh!" is an exclamation meaning the same thing as "oh no!" or
 "uh oh!", oftentimes with a of a "I'm lost" or "What have I done?"
 essence included.


   -------Original Message-------
   From: Greydon Moore
   Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:23:26
   To: Mystery Writer
   Subject: Re: D'oh! yeh! ey!

 Ey! is a canadian thing, comedians do it all the time making fun of
 canucks. I will see if I can come across a copy or reference to the
 book somewhere. That it is supposedly Christ speaking makes it even
 more suspicious. I once upon a time (late 60's) took a ferry across
 from Vancouver to Vancouver Island and there were 3 Jesus Christs
 aboard plus 10 Moses and several Helens of Troy. This is back in
 the days when everyone thought if they were in any way special they
 had to be really special.
 Greydie/



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